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on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative movement. joining me is the former head of the rnc and joy reed, managing editor of rio.com, also one of us. this is what happens when you go near the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday, jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina and the out-going heritage foundation president dent and rush made fun of the speaker. let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bi
on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative...
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mitch mcconnell tried to get the senate, hary reid to vote o the president's plan and harry reid said no. democrats are calling ita stunt. this is the president's plan we can raise taxes on rich and you don't have to cut spending and you can do all the things that he wants to do, and they don't want thatto come to a vote. there might be something there. i'm thinking that might maybe make him on it and let the chips fall where they make. elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i think we all agree about conseqnces. certainly. your thoughts on this? does it look to you right now like we are going to avoid this fiscal cliff? the president, but the brilliant idea? it's interesting how he does this. he initiates an ultmatum and the goes passive aggressive on everyone and withdraws from the field. it's really a bizarre and intriguing strategy which obviously has completely confounded republican leaders. >> yes, and the polls show that the american people are prud and -- probably going to blend republicans now matter what happen. lou: slightly. >> therefore i think that is what
mitch mcconnell tried to get the senate, hary reid to vote o the president's plan and harry reid said no. democrats are calling ita stunt. this is the president's plan we can raise taxes on rich and you don't have to cut spending and you can do all the things that he wants to do, and they don't want thatto come to a vote. there might be something there. i'm thinking that might maybe make him on it and let the chips fall where they make. elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i...
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the sure footed mitch mcconnell stumbled. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement. and i believe our republican colleagues learned that to say the government will not pay its debt and hold it up for something else is bad substance and bad politics. i don't think they'll prevail. if they want to say we won't raise the debt ceiling unless we cut medicare, make our day. >> meaning go ahead and default the country? >> no, meaning that is untenable and won't last. >> i want to go to other subjects. senator schumer, on the first day of the next congress in january, will democrats change the rules on filibusters by a simple majority rather than two-thirds majority you generally need to change rules in the senate? >> everyone knows the senate is broken and needs fixing. i think bob corker would say that. we have had discussions, we're friends. almost all democrats and all republicans believe that. i think it's also true our preference would be to do this by two-thirds in a bipartisan way. there are all kinds of discussions going on with all kinds of groups to try to come up
the sure footed mitch mcconnell stumbled. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement. and i believe our republican colleagues learned that to say the government will not pay its debt and hold it up for something else is bad substance and bad politics. i don't think they'll prevail. if they want to say we won't raise the debt ceiling unless we cut medicare, make our day. >> meaning go ahead and default the country? >> no, meaning that is untenable and won't last. >> i...
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you can bet mitch mcconnell was not unhappy he left. he feels he's not a majority leader because of demint is there. there's a lot of "ding dong the which is gone" sentiment. >> a lot of republicans up to mitch mcconnell the senate republican leader who believed they would be in the majority today if not for some of the candidates. >> on the right there's a little too much demoralization. even's so depressed on the conservative side, very similar to wait was like in the 2004 election when george w. bush was elected. i always caution, you know, people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a comeback. they can win in 2014, 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principle ps. >> mark, you guest the last word, the final 15 seconds. tea party, less government interferen interference, are those sorts of ideas fading? >> no. i think that's part of the experience. we have this constant historical batter going all the way back to that point. how much government do we want or don't want and i think this is just part of that battle. i
you can bet mitch mcconnell was not unhappy he left. he feels he's not a majority leader because of demint is there. there's a lot of "ding dong the which is gone" sentiment. >> a lot of republicans up to mitch mcconnell the senate republican leader who believed they would be in the majority today if not for some of the candidates. >> on the right there's a little too much demoralization. even's so depressed on the conservative side, very similar to wait was like in the...
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and mitch mcconnell put that bill forward on the floor this week, thinking he was going to embarrass democratic leader reed, and reed said let's go ahead and vote. it and so then mcconnell filibustered his own bill because he got afraid the democrats had the votes for it. so that's the kind of maneuvering that is going on. childish. >> yes, childish. very childish. former republican majority leader trent lott told cnn's anderson cooper how he had a working relationship with his democratic counterpart tom daschle. the two did something called compromise. a concept that facilitates law foreign in today's congress. watch. >> i had a red phone where when i picked up that phone, it rang only one place. on tom daschle's desk. and when he picked it up, i knew i was talking to tom daschle. not his staff. not my staff. sometimes he and i lead when our conferences were not ready to move. i remember i called one time i called him, i stepped out from a conference meeting and tom you know we need to do this, i'm having problem and he said i am too, let's go, i will see you on the floor. we went u
and mitch mcconnell put that bill forward on the floor this week, thinking he was going to embarrass democratic leader reed, and reed said let's go ahead and vote. it and so then mcconnell filibustered his own bill because he got afraid the democrats had the votes for it. so that's the kind of maneuvering that is going on. childish. >> yes, childish. very childish. former republican majority leader trent lott told cnn's anderson cooper how he had a working relationship with his democratic...
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i want to play a clip of mitch mcconnell talking about that. let's play it now. >> by demanding the power to raise the debt limit when ever he wants by as much as he wants, he showed what he's after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without anyone -- i assure you it's not going to happen. >> the back story is republicans have no leverage in the fiscal curve talks. if nothing happens, they don't get anything they are looking for january 1st. but, they see a chance to get leverage here a month later when we hit the debt ceiling. they are talking about if we don't get the concessions right now in these negotiations, we are going to hold it over your head. i'm looking at this. in the way out, the constitutional scholars offered, they say there is -- congress can't default like this. we are going to keep on like nothing happened. the white house explicitly ruled that out. it would unsettle the markets. short of that, the republicans have leverage again, don't they? >> sadly, it seems to me they do. i was happy to hear the pre
i want to play a clip of mitch mcconnell talking about that. let's play it now. >> by demanding the power to raise the debt limit when ever he wants by as much as he wants, he showed what he's after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without anyone -- i assure you it's not going to happen. >> the back story is republicans have no leverage in the fiscal curve talks. if nothing happens, they don't get anything they are looking for january 1st. but, they see a...
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senate -- senator mitch mcconnell did not endorse john boehner's plan last week. guest: in this case, you've got substantial differences in party outlook. the tea party was always stronger in the house. what will work for senator mcconnell was running for reelection now may not work for house republicans. even if there is an agreement between speaker boehner and president obama, it is not clear it will be acceptable. host: david is on the phone from york, pennsylvania, republican line, good morning. caller: i'm calling from arkansas, actually. i am an attorney and i've tried to watch the actions of this president. i take into consideration the books he read and he uses the philosophers who taught him as he grew up. i really believe that based on the way he is trying -- that based on the way he has been trained, i think the president wants to go over the cliff because that will achieve the things he was buried he wants to break up the republican party. he wants to break its back and then he also wants to go over the cliff because he wants to have a financial crisis
senate -- senator mitch mcconnell did not endorse john boehner's plan last week. guest: in this case, you've got substantial differences in party outlook. the tea party was always stronger in the house. what will work for senator mcconnell was running for reelection now may not work for house republicans. even if there is an agreement between speaker boehner and president obama, it is not clear it will be acceptable. host: david is on the phone from york, pennsylvania, republican line, good...
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when he should have been sitting down face to face in a private room with john boehner and/or mitch mcconnell and hammering this thing out. building a relationship, building trust and trying to pull people together he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. talking about the campaign modes and that's not how you negotiate and resolve these sort of issues. >> we know that barack obama speaks for democrats who speaks for republicans nowf? >> i think john boehner is the closest thing to a republican voice. he holds let's say the key to the lock. he is the most powerful republican in congress. my feeling is boehner wants to work something out. he has got to go home not only to his own constituents but every republicans in america and some in the house who aren't easy to pull along he he imant go to them and given up that tax bracket for the 2% and theying say what did you gte mr. baker? nothing yet. he can't do that with a straight face his own party will crucify him over that. >> over 50% that we fall off? >> i wouldn't have said that two weeks ago today. i think that's probably right and it's unn
when he should have been sitting down face to face in a private room with john boehner and/or mitch mcconnell and hammering this thing out. building a relationship, building trust and trying to pull people together he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. talking about the campaign modes and that's not how you negotiate and resolve these sort of issues. >> we know that barack obama speaks for democrats who speaks for republicans nowf? >> i think john boehner is the closest thing to...
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states that were red states and the republicans should have won, there's a number of republicans up to mitch mcconnell, the republican leader who believed they would be in the majority today if not for some of the candidates. >> there's a little bit too much demoralization, everybody's so -- very similar to what it was like after the 2004 election, when george w. bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton going all the way back to that point, how much government do we want or not want. but on an optimistic note, we always seem to manage to get beyond this. >> congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. ac, they've been committed to puttin
states that were red states and the republicans should have won, there's a number of republicans up to mitch mcconnell, the republican leader who believed they would be in the majority today if not for some of the candidates. >> there's a little bit too much demoralization, everybody's so -- very similar to what it was like after the 2004 election, when george w. bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people...
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and then mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate says, you know, what my goal is to make barack obama a one-term president. they're supposed to be leaders of the legislative branch of the government, not party hacks. and we have a system now, you know, that is all about looking toward the next election, how we do that. >> this is a strong indictment of the polarization of the two parties. >> yeah. >> but isn't the country also very polarized? >> the country is very polarized in some senses. but you also find the american people saying, "solve the problem. don't go over a fiscal cliff." or, you know, "pay our bills," or, "do something about the budget." now, i think even though the people tend to not be open to a lot of different views, they want the people they elect to make government work. >> so, we have created a political system that rewards intransigence. >> we've created a system that says, "we reward incivility. we reward refusal to compromise. we punish people who compromise and are civil and get along well with the people on the other side of the aisle." so, why
and then mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate says, you know, what my goal is to make barack obama a one-term president. they're supposed to be leaders of the legislative branch of the government, not party hacks. and we have a system now, you know, that is all about looking toward the next election, how we do that. >> this is a strong indictment of the polarization of the two parties. >> yeah. >> but isn't the country also very polarized? >> the country...
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mcconnell stumbled on this because the ground changed here. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement and i'll frankly our republican colleagues have learned that to say the government will not pay its debts and hold it up for something else is bad substance, and bad politics. i don't think they'll prevail on that. if they want to say, we won't raise the debt ceiling unless you cut medicare, make our day. >> chris: meaning, go ahead and default the country? >> no, make or day, meaning, that position is untenable politically and it will not last. you will not be able to hold it. >> chris: a little time left and i want to go to a couple of other subjects. senator schumer on the first day of the next congress in january, will democrats change the rules on filibusters by a simple majority, rathern the 2/3 majority you generally need, to change rules in the senate? >> okay. everyone knows the senate is broken and needs fixing. i think bob corker would say that, we have had discussions. we're friends. most democrats -- almost all democrat
mcconnell stumbled on this because the ground changed here. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement and i'll frankly our republican colleagues have learned that to say the government will not pay its debts and hold it up for something else is bad substance, and bad politics. i don't think they'll prevail on that. if they want to say, we won't raise the debt ceiling unless you cut medicare, make our day. >> chris: meaning, go ahead and default the country? >> no, make or...
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mcconnell sent out a joint invite to all colleagues and spouses to attend a bipartisan screening at 5:00 on wednesday afternoon, we'll keep you posted on that. >>> let's look at other stories making the rounds on the political playground. who knew former republican presidential candidate, mitt romney was a boxing fan? last night, in vegas, romney and his wife, ann, were ringside, they had some good seats, to see boxer manny pacquiao square off. before the match, romney met pam y pacquiao in his dressing room. at which time he said, according to the "associated press," hello, manny, i ran for president, i lost. so did pacquiao, it turns out things did not go well for manny last night. he took a hard right in the sixth that knocked him out flat. he lay on the mat for about two minutes, wife stormed the ring, she was crying, the handlers had to get him to his feet, it was quite the scene. >>> the usda planning to pack a little more into the average school lunch in this country. agricultural secretary tom vilsack says more grains and meat will go back on school menus nationwide after se
mcconnell sent out a joint invite to all colleagues and spouses to attend a bipartisan screening at 5:00 on wednesday afternoon, we'll keep you posted on that. >>> let's look at other stories making the rounds on the political playground. who knew former republican presidential candidate, mitt romney was a boxing fan? last night, in vegas, romney and his wife, ann, were ringside, they had some good seats, to see boxer manny pacquiao square off. before the match, romney met pam y...
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mcconnell. then the republicans came back, which speaker boehner said was a sound response. $800 billion in tax rev knew. with eric cantor and paul ryan's significant but positive -- >> congress can prevent all of this by passing a tax hike on the first $250,000 of income. 98% wouldn't see taxes go up by a single dime. the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income and families everywhere would enjoy peace of mind. >> most polls show 60, 60% of americans agree, raise taxes on the wealthiest 2%. he won the election. >> he talked about that during the campaign however congressman randy forms of virginia, a republican, he's floating a theory which is that the president doesn't have to compromise. he might not even want to compromise because if there's no compromise, the president gets what he wants. >> the president doesn't really want to get an agreement or compromise. he wants to get his way. that's why he won't come to the table with any serious proposal and s
mcconnell. then the republicans came back, which speaker boehner said was a sound response. $800 billion in tax rev knew. with eric cantor and paul ryan's significant but positive -- >> congress can prevent all of this by passing a tax hike on the first $250,000 of income. 98% wouldn't see taxes go up by a single dime. the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income and families everywhere would enjoy peace of mind. >> most polls show 60, 60% of...